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Perhaps this is some kind of lesson on the dangers of being too cutting-edge, or at least in shopping without more careful consideration.

I've had this box in my closet for several years. It's a huge box. It's filled with my dad's reel-to-reel tapes. When I started cleaning the week before last, I decided it was time to do something about this box.

Now there's some neat stuff in it. Old jazz, several hours recorded live at woodstock, and my dad's journal from Viet Nam, so throwing it out (immediately, at least) is out of the question.

So I looked around on e-bay and found what sounded like a good tape player at a reasonable price and got it. It arrived today and it was indeed a nice tape player. It functions quite adequately... Up to a point.

See, the picture had but two marks for tape speed. LOW and HIGH. The boxes of tapes had two speeds listed. 3.75 and 7.5 which I assumed corresponded to LOW and HIGH. As it turns out, this is not the case. There is in fact another tape speed of something like 1.5 and this was in fact the 'LOW' the machine referred to. My dad, being the audiophile he is, naturally, had mostly tapes of the highest quality (fastest speed) so a large percentage of the tapes won't play on this machine.

I can't even be clever and record the tapes at half speed and then correct them on the computer as the machine's motor is just not designed to handle the additional weight of the extra footage on the 7.5ips tapes.

So... Crap. Now I've got a huge box of tapes and a heavy stinkin' reel to reel player and I guess I have to buy another one. :(
I don't feel I can really return it as it does work and it's not the seller's fault I'm uneducated about these things. Still. Suck.

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Date: 2006-04-18 05:41 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] foxgrrl
I have two (0.25") reel-to-reel decks in storage. (Though I think I stretched the belt out too much on one of them.) Also, 1.5ips is slow, and 7ips is fast. (ipc=inches per second) (Though I thought that the typical tape speeds were 1.5, 3, 6, 12, 24, ..., 60ips (~40MPH? You can record video on linear tracks at 60ips) (I used to have access to a 16-channel 1-inch-reel deck that went up to that speed.)

It should be easy to just play the tapes back at the 'wrong' speed, and then correct them on the computer. (Assuming that you know the exact scalar to use, or there are reference tones (know freq.) recorded on the tape somewhere.)

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Date: 2006-04-18 06:02 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dv-girl.livejournal.com
Yeah. I know the speed trick. The probably is that the motor isn't physically strong enough to turn the very heavy 7.5" tapes at a consistent speed. It'll just burn up the motor or belts.


Heh. *sigh* I had planned this whole funky flyer and get-together thing for the weekend to listen to old tapes. Thought it was something you'd enjoy.

Speaking of you, where have you been lately? I haven't seen you?

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Date: 2006-04-18 07:38 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] foxgrrl
Speaking of you, where have you been lately?

I was in Canada, eh! But now I'm back, I have the newest episode of Dr. Who also, just aired in the UK, two days ago.

Anyway, you could try haxoring the motors, or driving the reels with another set entirely. The pinch roller by the head is what is responsible for maintaining constant tape speed. The take-up reel just has to keep the tape from spewing out into a big pile.

Now that I think about it some more... physics-wise. A circular hoop rotating around its center, has moment of inertia I=kmr² (For a solid disk you need to do a volumetric integral, or I could just look it up... I=½MR²) And we're moving at a constant linear velocity v... If we consider this to be a 1-D case, then L=mvr. The radius will be somewhere between [0,7.5] inches...

The two motors to be concerned about are the pinch rollers by the head, and the take-up. (One at constant linear velocity, and the other at constant angular velocity. (I think))

The pinch rollers need:
  1. To have enough friction to pull the tape through

  2. The tape needs the tensile strength to not break when transferring the force from the rollers into rotating the spool

  3. The lead out (?) spool will require the most torque at the beginning (R=7.5") and will rotate at the slowest. Speeding up as R drops to 0, and the necessary torque will go down to 0 too. It should be free to spin on its own (no motor, ideally frictionless), while playing.


So, the dangerous part will be from the start of the tape, until you only have as much tape left as the player would normally hold. On every tape deck I've ever played with, the pinch rollers had a lot of torque. Enough to pull your fingers through, or snap a tape if it got stuck.

The take up spool only needs:
  1. Maintain enough tension on the tape, so that it doesn't fall out of the recorder, or fold back over onto the pinch rollers. (I hate it when that happens -- mostly due to a sticky pinch roller.)

  2. The reel... <thinking...> v=ωr ... will spin fast, and then slow down as more tape is wound. Also the amount of torque will go up, but as long as you're not accelerating from rest, there should already be enough angular momentum built up.


I believe that most reel-to-reel decks are designed to have the take up motor just spin as fast as possible, and they are held back by the tape slowly feeding out from between the pinch rollers. If you just put a full reel on the take up, and hit play, does it spin around really fast?

So... in conclusion, I think your tape deck will be ok, but you need to worry about breaking or stretching your tape out. (Always a problem with tape.) (And I didn't have to do any math, yay.)

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Date: 2006-04-18 07:25 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dv-girl.livejournal.com
Or I could just buy another tape player. There's two within a 10 minute drive for < $20 on ebay. The one I currently have a bid on is only $5 and it will definetely play the better tapes. :)

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